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Toxic Mold and Your Mitochondria
Guest: Bridgit Danner, FDNP
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diagnosis, or treatment. This presentation does not
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Dr. Davidson:
Hello, this is Dr. Jay Davidson from DrJayDavidson.com.
Thank you for joining me on The Mitochondrial Summit. My guest is Bridgit
Danner. And we’re going to explore
toxic mold and mitochondria. But before
we do, a little bit about Bridgit. Bridgit Danner has been a licensed
acupuncturist since 2004, a certified-functional diagnostic practitioner since
2015. She has given over 12,000 treatments in her career. Her interest in
natural health grew from a concern in protecting the environment.
As a child, she was donating her allowance to Greenpeace and writing
cosmetic companies to ask about their practicing, which just shows where her
heart is. While busy running Integrative Wellness Center, she developed an
environmental illness due to toxic mold in her home.
Already experienced in hormone management and nutrition, she became
acutely aware of the powerful impact of the environment on her health. She
now focuses on online education about detox at BridgitDanner.com where she
also offers functional lab testing and specialized supplements. Bridgit,
welcome to The Mitochondrial Summit!
Bridgit:
Well, thank you, for including me, Jay. I think mitochondria is such
an important topic. So I was just very excited to get involved in this cause.
Dr. Davidson:
Yeah, well it’s a topic I think we’re all learning the importance
and how things really connect. It’s a lot of times through our own experience,
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like you said in your bio, you’re a specialist in hormones and nutrition. And
then all of a sudden, you got exposed
to mold. And it’s like you were basically
forced to become an expert in that to get well yourself. Diving into mold, what
is toxic mold? Describe that for us.
Bridgit:
Yeah, toxic mold has been around a long time, although some people
are just being
introduced to the concept. Now there’s many types of mold. And
many of them are not harmful to our health, but some are. They can be in
foods we eat like grains and rotten fruit, that kind of a thing. But they can
also be in our homes, the way we build our
homes. What’s interesting, Jay, is
that some of what we do in our home is due to modern construction.
But actually, mold was even mentioned in the Old Testament about like
scraping off this layer of unhealthy stuff and discarding it. And then in the
veterinary field, this subject of mold and mycotoxin illness is really common
because animals are eating this green feed often that can make them quite
sick and unable to reproduce,
or is killing them. So these are things that we’ve
been dealing with culturally for many years.
Just to name off a few names of the types of mold that are toxic just to list a
few of the more common ones are aspergillus, penicillium, stachybotrys,
fusarium. What really makes you sick is not the mold itself, although the
presence of mold is needed to make the next thing, which is these mycotoxins.
So some of the names you may have heard are aflatoxin, ochratoxin,
trichothecenes, gliotoxin.
So there’s a lot of different names, and species, and stuff. You don’t have to
memorize all that, but having some awareness of where molds could be
present in your home, in your workplace, in your food supply. And then
learning a little bit about symptoms can let you know could there be any tie-in
here with my own health and my own energy levels as we get to talk about
mitochondria today.
Dr. Davidson:
Awesome! Yeah, mold’s such an
important topic. I see it that
the idea of, “Oh, yeah, I had my house checked a few years ago for mold.” But
in reality, mold could surface at any time because you could develop a leak, or
some water overflowing, or water infiltration somewhere and not even realize
it. And now all of a sudden, you have an issue when you ruled it out
previously. Was that at all like in your history?
Bridgit:
Um, no, when we checked our
house, it was full of mold so it wasn’t
like an old thing came back. But one thing interesting that I have found in the
last couple of years is some people are testing their bodies for mold and have
mold present or mycotoxins present. And they don’t know
even where it came
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from.
So sometimes we know, “I get sick when I’m in my apartment, I’m at
work, whatever.” For some of us, we don’t even know when we were exposed,
which is scary to me. So I didn’t really know that was possible until I started
seeing it in some of my clients.
Dr. Davidson:
Is that where food sourcing of mold comes from?
Bridgit:
Sometimes it’s the food sourcing, yeah. And then other times, it was
somewhere that you were living or working. And you just
weren’t aware. It’s
not always so potent that you know right
away. It’s this chronic exposure is
really the most dangerous. I was in my house for almost 10 years by the time
we found mold.
Dr. Davidson:
Wow!
Bridgit:
Yeah, it’s a long time. So let’s just say hypothetically we had moved
out of that house a couple of years sooner or we never knew about the mold, I
wasn’t one of those people. I didn’t know we had a mold problem. So I think
that’s possible, as well, to just not even know where it came from.
Dr. Davidson:
In your household with your own story, being in the house for
10 years, was it just yourself that ended up with symptoms? Did anybody else
in the household have them?
Bridgit:
So I was the sickest, for sure, and for the longest. But when we had
the question come up, “Should we check for mold?” My husband was very
suspicious of it just because of some things in our house. And as he started to
learn about it and we got more exposed through our remediation, which we
can talk about, he was
definitely like, “I’m affected by this, too. This kind of
explains why I need five cups of coffee a day and
like I’m so tired.”
So and my son, luckily, was seemingly unaffected. We did test his urine later.
And he did have some mycotoxins present in his body. Does it maybe make
him more fidgety? Maybe. He’s also 10, they’re fidgety. It’s hard to say.
But
kids can have ADHD as a symptom of mold. There’s a wide spectrum of
symptoms and manifestations.
But mostly, my son seemed to be okay. We never did the genetics test for the
three of us. But it could be that he has better genes for it. Or it could just be
that he’s younger and just
has a healthier system still.
Dr. Davidson:
Interesting. So what do you see being major symptoms that
might be a red flag for the listener because you’re like, “Oh, my son’s ten and
he’s fidgety,
but ten year
old’s
are.”
I’m like thinking of my daughter like, “Yes,
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let’s work on spelling.” And she’s like sits down for half a second and she goes
and runs around. And you’re like, “Just sit down for a second, would you?”
And I don’t think we have mold. So I’m thinking obviously
it might be
challenging to identify that just with kid behavior, but.
Bridgit:
Yeah, and as you know, you have so many symptoms overlap. So I’m
going to tell you what I experienced and I’ll tell you some other group of things
that I didn’t experience
that I do hear about. So, for me, honestly, I think,
really the first thing for me was just my immune system not working well.
Getting sick a lot. I had pink eye. I had Epstein-Barr. I was just sick a lot.
And then I got again really, I got strep throat. Closer to when I got diagnosed, I
got strep throat. I didn’t recover well. And then I really hit this extreme fatigue.
Just really tired. And this was another, what I would say is a clue, like if
you’re eating well, you’re going to bed
on time, you’re
doing yoga, you’re doing
all the things that you’re supposed to do, and you’re just bone tired,
or sick all
the time, or whatever, something else is going on.
And that’s, I think, often
is a toxin. If
they’re just like, “We can’t figure this
out,” I often think that’s a toxin. Insomnia
for a long time. When I got the
sickest, really horrible short-term recall, like horrific. For years, I was also
dealing with digestive issues, hormonal imbalance. And then again, as I got
sicker, when we opened up our home, muscles twitching, like my eyelids just
spontaneously twitching, more asthma.
And then I became so tired, Jay, like so completely exhausted, I just started to
not want to wake up in the morning, which is a scary thing to start thinking.
And it really
was physical. I was just so tired on the cellular level that we’ll
talk about. Just the idea of like having to get up and having to do it all over
again was pretty depressing. So luckily, we got out of that stage. I recovered
my health, for the most part. But those are some things that I experienced.
Some other things that happened are rapid weight gain, muscle wasting, and
complete loss of motor function. People end up in a wheelchair and don’t know
why. Different psychiatric diseases are linked to mold. Skin rashes, diabetes,
blood sugar management, Parkinson’s, MS, these are more diagnoses and
symptoms. But
it could be involved in cancer, heart disease. It’s just such a
big disruptor at the cellular level that it can go to a lot of different systems of
the body.
Dr. Davidson:
Did you struggle with brain fog? You mentioned memory recall,
but I’m just…As soon
as you said memory recall, I was thinking of my wife
when we were exposed to mold ten plus years ago. And she was trying to
study and
she just couldn’t remember anything. And
there was definitely a lot
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of brain fog, though, too. So she was like the flashcard
queen, we’d always call
her. But it was hard for her to remember things. And that just brought me
back because you said that symptom.
Bridgit:
Yeah, at my worst, I was just in a fog all day, for sure. But something
that really stood out to me that I
don’t deal with anymore is like I would have
a thought. And then I would have to think it five more times to remember it. I
could eventually remember it. Like
if I was going to write an email and I’d be
like, “Oh, wait, who was I going to write to?” And then I’d have to retrace my
thoughts and be
like, “Oh, yeah, I’m writing to Jay.” And then I was like,
“What am I writing?”
So I could do it, but it would just every time, it would take me like various
repetitions to remember what I was about to do. And that was pretty scary.
You can push through a lot of that and function. We have to function. So it
was just very slow going.
Dr. Davidson:
Yeah, mold’s such a scary thing, though, because it suppresses
your immune system. So any underlying things in your body can potentially
flare up and you can contract more things and just magnifies that situation.
So you mentioned mitochondria. What’s toxic mold or mold impact on our
mitochondria?
Bridgit:
Yeah, so this is really, really interesting. And you have a number of
guests.
I don’t know how many have gone into the structure of the
mitochondria, but mitochondria are within your cell. And they have their own
DNA and their own membrane. But they’re not very well protected. They don’t
have a great protection against outside toxins. So the toxins can come in, and
they have a whole list of what they can do.
So, first of all, is they hit the membrane. Toxins can disrupt that membrane’s
ability to transmit messages. It can become swollen. The nutrients can’t get in.
So that’s a big deal.
As you know from the detox world, that membrane needs
to be healthy. And then they can get in past that membrane and disrupts
what’s called the
cristae, the inner membrane, that are all like folded up,
those can be disrupted and dysregulated.
The toxins can attach to it.
It’s called a DNA adduct, which can create further
mutations like cancerous mutations. It can prevent the mitochondria from
reproducing or reproducing
in a healthy way. You don’t want to reproduce
mutations. First,
it’s going to affect the mitochondria’s just ability to do its job,
which is making ATP. So you can have less energy for that particular cell or
whole body systems.
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