] i >a o e c i-n f 4 A# * - • i i» • * JY.* * V|»® A* *a# * iiw »« km tell you ..nut to do* You uude the sworn state* .lent acre before the jury on two different oocusiona, bring the signed statement of John Ramsey with reference to the natter of Henry Roan, - you examined It and swor© positively on two occasions that that was the statement tiiat was intro* dreed before tne grand jury and was not signed* To the beat of ay knowledge, yes oir* ell, you were positive about it, and X showed you the other one; 1 gave you the cnance to see them both, and X handed „■ou the nith statement and 1 said "That statement there was not nigned, was it?"; couldn’t fool you, even; you would not be fooled. You remember that, and you have sworn definitely o t.iia Jury here that the John Ramsey confession concerning nry Roan v.aa riot signed* Row what can you do about it? ell, I would be glad to auy to them tlmt I could have been mistaken* hat did asparos give you to swear to it{ did he offer you .my money or tell you there would bo something In it for you? R'o sir* le came all the way to your plaee to talk to you, didn’t heT I didn’t really meet him at ray home* Let me tell you how I :.et .raj Lucre is an oil well using drilled Just south of ray place* y wife ;aid - and been to town; c omin c home stopped at t.w« oil well to rind now the oil well was ooming along, how tliey were progressing* hr, Lucparis and one of my aona drove up in a car, in Yaspuris’o car# One of your eons? Yes sir* Let me ask you about that* How long had your son -mown Kuepuris? Revel* had aeon him before in his life* Hever had? <o sir* And my son told me tiiere was a man w unted to see me, he rather thought per. : iap8 it was an oil man or something, there had been a good many there; and the boys go frequently down to the oil derrick; and Xr* Yueparie expressed a desire to go to tne oil derrick* I don’t know how he come to go down there, but I met him there, and X _ ot out of the oar and die* covered -Caspar is, shook hands with him, ana he told me tnat he wanted to see me a little bit and to talk to me about the grand Jury proceedings, and 1 said well -* nat day of the week was this? I believe that was on Tuesday* * i you re icnbor what day it was? o„ July, e.lA D i ' «n i ups t, have .been 3* ve Tin nay o A .oily* <*> 4 * t/iC 7th, as dry after the trial case begun on the 2dth near as I can deter Tine j com eared here t-mt he «... -n C* *.a ; JL i ti i uX ^ ij' ..dlU, Vj. * UJO it -a 1 1 f. *e trial t t l C ll i-* C t a i lit. *' 7 ♦ > — rf « tf it 'â– . -.5 a it ti on, tr. jf .uly. oi.;j to *L : : W u? L • n L ij U ti _ ) v C f/ J i / . o r* V IU. A# * * a '*• A -ft * o v o % - « '\ -Ovably, - 1 •; nilua' t oe cure about the mu » - ra/UJi/ Un minutes; ®y wife sat la ay car during the co.xvoi.Lali.oa (aid fi i â– . *b tui, a t ^ 1 \r a 1 i f t 1 a u 1 m m a *f* * * ,vti a i rth a - \ f ? -^i 1 1 ... f { a .4 n ^ !iv>u o*i i.y (m a a. u k im v v u a, 4. oui uo ua\4 ;juv * i»ij to atort home ana started tue cur* and I v.ent over and Joined her and 1 drove hone, and Xuajarle left, This »as at the oil well? Yes sir* •Tow far was t.’xat from where you live? J st a half nile from ray home; he uad been up there hunting for me • lid he tell you where he lived? I knew where he lived, or X hod found out where he lived* how far frora where you live, approximately? 1 don't want to be just certain about this , but X j reach at a little joint celled iwaaer, and that is near tne jtoe country, ahere he hoe cattle, and while visiting at a nan’ a home at the time by the name of ihepjord we went over to Jtoe to look after his stock in the pasture lunday afternoon, mid there was a dwelling house udjoini ig hie land, and he inform- ed ce t.xat they were ar purls and another party stayed t .ere* . . ovv Jur is t.«at from. your none? oil, that ic. It is la t;xe neighborhood of 10 piles, between fo (...id 10 miles, to j iat guess at it* hut sort of an automobile did he have? hen he came to the well? Yen* •re had a ?ord coupe, rather old* ‘ hat time of the day wan it that you saw him at this well? '"ell, sir it was aoout, - X had no occasion to look ht the time oeforc* Just give an estimate* It v»\_8 probably between 4 and 3 O'clock, i \.tuld say* Did he s'»y now long he had been waiting for you ut your ..ouse? ho sir, I didn't ask him* And you diocuesed this grand Jury proceeding at the ’.veil? .(ear the well, we were not ut the well* And when that was over with you went your way and he Kent hie way? Yes sir* V . a I. *. -.1— 0* i a » â–² «k i xju Qbw ai.ni ^tuu| uj.ua** Dot until X came down here* Dow noon after taut was it hr* Hamilton come out there? '.’hie .‘lujpene <1 on hie: day* X believe it was on 'hiurcday evening, rather i:_te; yee* ..urcuay ovo.aing, rather lute, u .cu a*. Huai It on cuao ..r there anyone v;*tn h* Hamilton? _r, ‘-..ere two y. i.u; cu in .*is cur, . -u cd ue l . .ut one of . i .. ..s h* . .u. ".ilfcon's » *fc t. ::m.‘ ' »"• M - • . i*~ x • : 1 «. < . vp m ; ^ w ^ H 'V ^ ^ j 4 | • v * » ^ _ ... * > s» « p ’W * V -« v. â– ** • -* * -* out V o )j| o.i ed t..cn in c h:v cr::uli on . -i Le •c *n ■•oaverraiion# v : on aid . elf > < t • 'r - .. ~ ip- on; . « r tt V k * ..Jt * - I _ to • * p j** ^ t ca 4 V </ ; A jjKft In il pvi' n iugt gbaut nv . h«.fl £oas 49<>fl to fa«4 ouf t ad I war catting; corn to feed them when he came op* ou were Xljsn in the field with your no phew 7 ii Tta air* Q* What ic the nfcjno of your nephew? it . John it, Eesser* Q« * Who oalled you from the field? A* I wasn't called from the field* Did Ur* Hamilton come down to the field where you were? a s He &nd my sephefe case in company one with the others Q, You were alone in the field cutting oora? A* ten, I suppose you would oall it alone; I wasn't very far from ay nephew; he just went to the fenoe near where I was cutting the oora to throw it over; he is a sohool teaohsr and was attending summer school* ^* Ho* far froa the house wore you out ting oora? A* From oy home or from any house? 4* Hr. i La lilt on drove up to your home to see yott, didn't he? A. I don't think he went to my home; he case to this point where 2 wue cutting oorn, that is on the public road near a little tenant house that 2 have, and I think he stopped there, si* though I wouldn't swear positive ac to whether he stopped at my hoae* Q,* Is this tenant house on the road to your home? A* Very near* ^* From the way he was going— A* I don't know how he was go log* Q.m T.hxch way was hie ear headed? A* His car was headed towards the west when I saw it* d* T.a* it headed towtrdc your home or svay from it? A* Yes, it would rather Indicate it was headed towards my home* s,, Ho you know, as a matter of fact, whether he was at your home or not? A* ho sir, I don't believe I asked him* d* Did you ask your wife? A* Z don't think that he was there, but I wouldn't be right positive; he wasn't there to ny knowledge* <1. ?id you go out on the road to talk to him? A* Ho sir, I didnt; he followed me in the field* <1* ^e came to the field? A* Yes sir, H* Fas any one present w*»en he talked to you and heard his eon* , versat ion? A* VJy nephew" was there and I think heard all the conversation* * Q* And w/i&t was the first thing Ur, Hamilton said to you? A* Veil, he first introduced hinaelf, ... <U ; What 'did he say? km Well, 1 think he culled himself by name, Hamilton, and gaVS_ hie lnitialc, bit I don't remember the initials, and I *• <1* Did he tell you what his biclnesc was, Whether he was a lawyer? km Z don't believe he made any explanations, but X thought he i: . « ; : was a candidate; i:«ere was several at our home, and I so ep* Ti«)( 3nith Hrouched him ub a candidate* <hu t did you a iv v.hen lie introduced himself? *eui, x sai.u, x ocxxeve you axe too late oeoous© I have £1**; reedy promised my vote to the other (Cello*, mud 1 had 41* * V*? ready met — * *â– khnt office did you think Mr* Hamilton was running Tort State r.enxto? fron Pcyne and Creek Counties* That made you think ho was & candidate? Did he look like this other man or anything like that? X ha d never eav. the other man, but X Just got oonfused on the names, X guess* Vi.* * A < A Via i tf nnirf 9 iwy »**♦ w 1 1 think then he Informed me that he was counsel for Xx Hale* That did you say then? tell, X don't really remember Just mh&t X did say hardly* . How, go ahead and tell, in your own way* Just as nearly as you can, what conversation you had with Ur* Hamilton out there* 1 hadn't as yet quit cutting corn, and ay nephew said, "Xwvlll out the balance of the oorn while you talkâ€, an d I said "He, X a: J ist going down, r and X come to the fence and threw the corn over the fence, and wo talked there at the fence. Just 4 fev words, and he asked ae If X was P* C* flesser and I told him that was my none* lie wanted to know if I woe a member ef the grand Jury last winter that investigated the Osage Indiana, 1 believe, and I said yes, we had it under consideration, some Ji ^ 4 l\ rv *-» T *> e* ? tf> n JTS *k r". 4 1 M t tkt4~ b » Nlj*m V A** a* ^ e tt Jk Jk a r m — - - ia 4 a...
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